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- November 11, 1989
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- ParaNet Information Service (Denver, CO)--This evening saw
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- perhaps an unprecedented event in UFOlogy. KLAS-TV in Las Vegas,
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- Nevada has been airing a UFO special during the evening news
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- which began on Monday dealing with the UFO mystery and cover-up.
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- The series, which has been covered by ParaNet, began its coverage
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- with a history of UFOs beginning in the late 1940s and moving
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- forward through the numerous sighting reports to the cattle
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- mutilations, which was aired last evening. As promised at the
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- close of last evening's show, George Knapp, a news anchorman for
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- Channel 8 in Vegas, stated that a scientific person would be
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- featured on tonight's program who has claimed to work at Area 51,
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- the government's super-secret test range at Nevada Test Site at
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- Mercury, Nevada.
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- Indeed, quite a story was told by Robert Lazar, a physicist who
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- claimed that he had worked on a project at Area 51 involving
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- flying disks provided by alien intelligences.
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- Over the last year, ParaNet has carried stories relating to
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- possible involvement with the government in projects of this
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- nature at the Nevada test site. Up to now, the stories have been
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- of a very speculative nature. Although the material presented by
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- Robert Lazar remains unconfirmed, enough information has been
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- disclosed that ParaNet's large investigative staff in Nevada has
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- started an intensive investigation into this release. Both Lazar
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- (formerly known only as "Dennis") and Lear have appeared on
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- Channel 8 -- Lear appearing on numerous occasions together will
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- Bill Cooper discussing Lear's famous 'ET Hypothesis.' On a past
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- KLAS-TV report, Lear was shown to have traveled to locations
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- appearing to overlook the test site which purportedly provided a
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- good view of the objects as they flew into the night sky. Lear
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- attempted to shoot video of an object as it maneuvered through
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- the night sky during last summer, however nothing was captured on
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- the tape of a substantive nature. Lear also relates that his
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- group was harassed by a Lincoln County sheriff following his
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- attempts to take the pictures.
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- Below is a transcript of the program that aired this
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- evening. All paragraphs out of quotes are the narrator of the
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- segment. We were as accurate as possible on the transcription,
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- however there are a couple of places where comments were edited
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- out due to inability to understand what was being said.
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- Further reports will be provided as information becomes
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- available.
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- We've been working on the story for some time....UFO
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- researchers claim that there is a secret government within our
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- government. Now this may be hard to believe coming from the UFO
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- perspective, but we have learned that Watergate and the Iran
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- Contra scandal that factions within our government can and do
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- pursue their own hidden agendas outside of the law; outside the
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- control of the Congress or the knowledge of the American people.
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- This is exactly the type of operation that we hear about tonight.
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- It's a chilling scenario with worldwide implications that may
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- have its roots right here [Las Vegas, Nevada].
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- Area 51, that mysterious corner of the Nevada Test Site, is
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- no longer considered a secret. The fact that secretive things
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- go on here isn't evident; even to the Soviets who make daily spy
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- flights over the facility to take a peek at what's going on.
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- These photos, never before shown in public, are about as close as
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- anyone will ever come to seeing what the place looks like again.
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- The dry bed at Groom Lake, the corrugated buildings, a three-mile
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- long runway and some highly sophisticated radar and detection
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- equipment. Its been known by many names over the years --
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- Dreamland; The Ranch; The Skunk Works. If ever there was a place
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- to test the secret new technology, this is it. And that's
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- exactly what has been done here for decades.
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- Area 51 is where Francis Gary Powers and the other U-2
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- pilots were trained in the 50s. And, where the U-2 itself was
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- developed. The SR-71 spy plane that spotted Soviet missiles in
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- Cuba in the early 60s were also developed at 51. 51 is where
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- Stealth technology was nurtured, where Star Wars devices are
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- still tested, and where all manner of CIA [unknown] business has
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- been plotted and refined. It's the perfect place for secret
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- things, but of course, that's no secret. 51 is ringed by the
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- forbidden vastness of the Nevada test site; by the looming Groom
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- Mountain and by sparsely populated desert expanses. But the
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- people that do live out here have no love lost for the military,
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- but they're conservative, patriotic and they mind their own
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- business.
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- Interviewer questioning a nearby resident of Area 51: "Ever see
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- something that you can't explain?"
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- Resident: "Sure, lots of times."
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- Interviewer: "Care to elaborate?"
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- Resident: "No." (Laughter).
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- On any given night at the Rachel Bar and Grill, you might
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- find three or four people who work at Area 51. They are among
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- the flowing Budweiser and the cowboy hats. You might find them,
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- but they are not going to talk to. Not about the things that
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- they have seen over the mountain. A steady trickle of curiosity-
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- seekers flows through here; strangers, drawn by strange stories
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- of lights in the night sky. Their questions also go unanswered.
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- No one who has worked at Dreamland has ever publicly acknowledged
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- what so many people have suspected for years: That alien
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- technology is being tested in the Nevada desert.
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- The speculation first surfaced in documents obtained by UFO
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- researchers. Documents about something called Project Aquarius.
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- The document allegedly prepared for an organization called MJ-12,
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- states that a program to fly recovered alien spacecraft was
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- established in 1972 and is continuing in Nevada. The National
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- Security Agency has confirmed it does have a Project Aquarius but
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- denies that it has anything to do with flying saucers. NSA will
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- not say what Project Aquarius is.
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- Speculation was heightened in 1984, when the Air Force
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- seized nearly 90,000 acres around Groom Lake. The action was, by
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- most accounts, illegal. During Congressional hearings about the
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- land grab, Congressman John Siberling grilled the military about
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- the legal authority used in the action and was told the authority
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- was at a much, much higher level than the Air Force.
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- Siberling asked what authority is higher than the laws of the
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- United States? The Air Force official said he could respond, but
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- only in a closed briefing. In 1987, when the Air Force sought to
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- renew its stranglehold on the Groom range, news articles once
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- again mentioned the talk about alien spacecraft and subsequent
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- articles in national magazines quoted un-named sources about
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- things of alien origin flying in Nevada. Things that would make
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- film-maker George Lucas drool. Despite the speculation, no one
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- who knew Area 51 from the inside ever talked publicly about the
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- saucer story.
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- Bob Lazar: "Well, there's several uh, actually nine uh flying
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- saucers, flying disks that are out there of extraterrestrial
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- origin." The live interview with the shadowy "Dennis" drew
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- international attention. Portions were broadcast by radio in six
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- European countries, and in a nationally televised TV special in
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- Japan.
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- Despite numerous inquiries and "feelers," "Dennis" has
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- remained anonymous until now. His real name is Robert Lazar. A
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- young scientist with eclectic interests. The choice of "Dennis"
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- was an inside joke -- he says that's the name of his superior at
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- Groom Lake. It wasn't a joke to Dennis.
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- Lazar: "He called right after and said, 'Do you have any idea
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- what we're going to do to you now?' and I said no, and he hung up
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- the phone."
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- Lazar's story is by any standard, fantastic. He says he's
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- telling it in order to protect himself. He said he was hired to
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- work in area called S-4 which is a few miles south of Groom Lake.
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- At S-4, he says, are flying saucers, anti-matter reactors and
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- other working examples of technology that is seemingly beyond
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- human capabilities.
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- Lazar: "Right. This stuff came from somewhere else. I know it
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- is hard to believe, but it is there and I saw it. I know what
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- the current state-of-the-art is in physics and it it can't be
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- done."
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- Checking out Lazar's credentials proved to be a difficult
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- task. He says he holds degrees in physics and electronics, but
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- the schools that we contacted say they've never heard of him. He
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- says he also worked as a physicist at Los Alamos National
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- Labs where he worked with one of the world's largest particle
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- beam accelerators, a half-mile long 'behemoth' capable of
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- generating seven-hundred million volts. Los Alamos officials
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- told us they have no record of Robert Lazar ever working there.
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- They were either mistaken or were lying. A 1982 phone book from
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- the Lab lists Lazar right there among the other scientists and
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- technicians. A 1982 news clipping from the Los Alamos newspaper
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- profiled Lazar and his interest in jet cars. It, too, mentioned
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- his employment at the Lab as a physicist. We called Los Alamos
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- again, and an exasperated official told us he still had no
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- records on Lazar. EG&G, which is where Lazar says he was
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- interviewed for the job at S-4, also has no record. It's as if
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- someone has made him disappear.
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- Lazar: "Well, they're trying to make me look non-existent to the
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- places that I called...."
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- Interviewer: "Explain. Called where?"
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- Lazar: "Well, the schools that I went to; the hospital that I
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- was born at; past jobs, and nothing comes up with my name on it."
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- He smiles, but out of futility, knowing the whole thing must
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- sound ridiculous. According to Lazar, his employer was the
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- United States Navy. He says he and other government employees
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- would gather near EG&G, fly to Groom Lake, then a very few people
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- would get into a bus with blacked out or no windows and drive to
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- S-4.
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- Interviewer: "You get off the bus, what do you see?"
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- Lazar: "A very interesting building. Its got a slope of
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- probably about 30 degrees which are hangar doors, and it has
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- textured paint on it, but it looks like sand. It's made to look
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- like the side of the mountain that it is in, whether it's to
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- disguise it from satellite photographs or what...."
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- He says he was never told exactly what he would be working
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- on, but figured it had something to do with advanced propulsion.
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- On his first day he was told to read a series of briefings, and
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- immediately realized how advanced the propulsion really was.
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- Lazar: "The power source is an anti-matter reactor. They run
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- gravity amplifiers. There is actually two parts to the drive
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- mechanism. It's a bizarre technology. There is no physical
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- hookups between any of the systems in there. They use gravity as
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- a wave using wave guides that look like microwaves."
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- It took awhile, Lazar says, before he actually saw one of
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- the flying disks, however there were hints everywhere.
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- Lazar: "Right. They had a poster, and it looked like a
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- commercial poster, like it was lithographed, like you could buy
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- it at K-Mart or someplace, but they were all over the place and
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- it had the disk that I coined the term 'the floor model' which
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- lifted off the ground about 3 feet out at the area, in the Dry
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- Lakes area, and the caption on it said 'They're here.' These
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- posters were all over the place."
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- Later, he got to see the real thing.
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- Lazar: "When I was led in, it was the first time that I saw the
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- 'floor model' in the hangar sitting down, and I was told they
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- could have walked me in the front door but they purposely wanted
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- to walk me by it. I was told not to say anything and to keep my
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- eyes forward and walk past the disk to the office area. And I
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- did. And as we went by it, I just kinda stuck my hands on it,
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- just to run it alongside the thing and uh ....After that I got to
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- see actually lift off the ground and operate."
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- Interviewer: "You actually got to see more than one?"
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- Lazar: "Yeah. The hangars are all connected together. There
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- are large bay doors between each one. There were nine total that
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- I saw, each one being different. Like they had the assortment
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- pack."
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- Security at S-4 was oppressive Lazar said, and his superiors
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- used fear and intimidation almost as a brainwashing tool.
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- Lazar: "They did everything but physically hurt me."
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- Interviewer: "They put a gun to your head?"
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- Lazar: "Yeah."
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- Interviewer: "You mean they actually put a gun to your head?"
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- Lazar: "They did that even in the original security briefing.
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- Guards there with M-16s. Guys there slamming their fingers into
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- my chest, screaming into my ear, they were pointing weapons at
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- me. Like I said, it's not a good place to work."
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- That fear factor would surface later. Lazar agreed to
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- undergo a polygraph exam as part of this report. Polygrapher Ron
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- Clay asked about the technology that Lazar had seen.
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- Polygrapher: "Did you knowingly lie when you had actually seen
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- anti-gravity propulsion in operation?"
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- Lazar: "No."
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- The results of this exam were inconclusive. Lazar appeared
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- to be truthful on one test; deceitful on a second. Clay
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- recommended that a second examiner be brought in. Polygrapher
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- Terry Tabernetti (sp?) runs a corporate security operation and is
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- a former Los Angeles police officer. He put Lazar through four
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- tests and concluded there were no attempts to deceive.
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- Tabernetti sent his test results to a third polygrapher who
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- agreed the results appeared truthful. The charts were then sent
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- to a fourth examiner who did not agree suggesting that Lazar
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- might be relating information he'd learned from someone else.
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- The polygraphers concurred and decided they would not issue a
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- final statement on truthfulness until more specific testing can
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- be conducted. And that's where it stands.
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- Tabernetti believes the difficulty in determining Lazar's
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- truthfulness stems from the fear that was drilled into him.
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- Lazar: "Well, I am telling the truth. I've tried to prove that.
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- What's going on up there could be the most important event in
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- history. You're talking about contact, physical contact and
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- proof from another planet, another system, another intelligence.
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- Thats got to be the biggest event in history, period. And, it's
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- real and it's there. And I had an extremely small part in it.
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- I'm convinced that what I saw is absolute proof of that. There
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- is no way that we could have created those disks. There is no
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- way we could have made the disks, the power supplies, anything
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- that goes with it."
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- Lazar says he has no intention of going on any UFO lecture
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- circuit. He is not looking to do any additional interviews. In
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- fact, he was not too crazy about doing this one. He did it after
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- certain unfavorable things started happening in his life, and he
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- did it because he feels that whoever is running the show up at S-
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- 4 is perpetrating a fraud on the American people and the
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- scientific community.
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